Well, Aunty Eya, I want to establish here that this post is not against us
Nigerian Christians giving or donating to the work of God. How do we give in most of our Nigerian churches? Is it not by compulsion? (This time I have learnt and I’m not going to generalize)
I know this is like a no go area for very many Nigerians but me, I like the faces of my bashers.
In recent times, all we hear about in most of our Nigerian churches is Tithing. Some go to the extent of preaching and teaching that faithful tithe payers cannot fall sick, will never be tempted and will surely make heaven because they are building treasures in heaven. Who says? It is a common thing now to hear people say things like, after paying my tithe, then I think of what to do with the rest of the money.
Aunty Eya, I am sure that you know the truth, so, why haven’t you raised this important topic on your blog. I read your post on “The 25 Good things that our Nigerian church can do for us” but when it comes to making people realize this thing that is eating up Nigerian Christians, you keep mute.
I study the Bible a lot. I listen to sermons and come back to do personal research and if there is anywhere anyone payed ten percent of their income to the church after the coming of Jesus Christ, let me know now. During his ministry here on earth, Our Lord talked about every important thing as regards the kingdom of God. When it comes to money, he talks about the widow’s mite (freewill offering). Never did He make mention of tax ( tithe) one tenth payment. There is no record of tithe payment in the early church that we emulate.
Well, I’ll ask a question here: How come we talk about new covenant when we talk about burning of incense, the ten commandments, The blood and other offerings commanded by God in the Old testament, We refer to those practices as old testament practices. We follow the early church, but refuse to follow their style of giving why? Ananias and Saphira, other members of the early church didn’t pay tithe’s they gave free will offerings from their hearts. Do not forget that a freewill offering can be bigger than one tenth, it can be everything you possess but it is given willfully and cheerfully and without compulsion. Don’t you think that Tithing is a form of tax the Jews used to pay because God commanded them to do so? When Jesus came, he did away with all that church taxing and people gave free will offerings. Like I said earlier,The widows mite was a free will offering.
Leviticus 27:30-34 tells us what tithing is
Malachi 3:8-11 tells us how those who withhold their tithes will be “”cursed.”” I do not see anything said in Malachi 3 that can be applied to Christians in the New Testament.
Romans 10;4, Galatians 3:13-14 tells us how we are redeemed from the “”curse of the law.””
Compulsory tithing in the old testament is not the same thing as giving the new testament. Giving in the New Testament is seen as a privilege and not an obligation. 1cor 16;1-2 talks about setting aside money on the first day of the week, no one was compelled as to what percentage to set aside. 2cor 8;3 makes us understand that giving is a privilege. How come most of our Nigerian churches still make giving an obligation, so much so that it must be mentioned almost at every sermon.
Some churches do not bother to correct the lifestyles of their tithe payers in anyway, when a man can pay large sums as tithe, he is seen as obedient and blessed.
This has made some tithe payers not to show sympathy when other people fall into trials and temptations because they are taught that people who spend on drugs are paying to the devil for refusing to pay tithe. Many Nigerians are so brainwashed, so much so that most people now feel the key to heaven and affluence is tithe payment (The bigger, the most prosperous one becomes). The life style of some major tithe payers will leave one wondering if they think that Godliness and Practical Christian Living is all about tithe payment.
Most churches have forgotten the virtues of Christianity. Members are no longer taught that Godliness with contentment is great gain.
Members are no longer taught that patience, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control and other Christian virtues are still important. How would they learn when all they hear is “pay your tithe and become prosperous.” The lifestyle of many professing Christians is very bad, full of strife, envy, anger, hatred, backbiting and all yet they see nothing wrong because they are faithful tithe payers.
I believe a lot of Nigerians who study the Scriptures do know that there is no compulsory giving in the New Testament but they are too afraid to speak up They just go with the flow. After all it is a church tradition that they came and met, so they just continue with the rest.
We are to give to God’s work but God compelled the jews in the old testament and not the New testament Christians. God has given his children freedom to give cheerfully and of their free will.
I know many Nigerians may not believe me because they have already been given mighty positions in church for being among the biggest tithe payers and there is no going back. How do you tell your revered man of God that giving is no longer by compulsion? How do you risk being dropped from that mighty seat on the stage. The rate at which Nigerians donate tithes, if we give that much to charity, to the less privileged, suffering will reduce drastically in our dear country.
As far as I am concerned, I will continue to serve my God, he has been so good to me and I must support his work by giving of my free will. When you talk out compulsive giving, count me out. I am not for church traditions but for the true word of God.
Me again!
Monique.
Nigerian Christians giving or donating to the work of God. How do we give in most of our Nigerian churches? Is it not by compulsion? (This time I have learnt and I’m not going to generalize)
I know this is like a no go area for very many Nigerians but me, I like the faces of my bashers.
In recent times, all we hear about in most of our Nigerian churches is Tithing. Some go to the extent of preaching and teaching that faithful tithe payers cannot fall sick, will never be tempted and will surely make heaven because they are building treasures in heaven. Who says? It is a common thing now to hear people say things like, after paying my tithe, then I think of what to do with the rest of the money.
Aunty Eya, I am sure that you know the truth, so, why haven’t you raised this important topic on your blog. I read your post on “The 25 Good things that our Nigerian church can do for us” but when it comes to making people realize this thing that is eating up Nigerian Christians, you keep mute.
I study the Bible a lot. I listen to sermons and come back to do personal research and if there is anywhere anyone payed ten percent of their income to the church after the coming of Jesus Christ, let me know now. During his ministry here on earth, Our Lord talked about every important thing as regards the kingdom of God. When it comes to money, he talks about the widow’s mite (freewill offering). Never did He make mention of tax ( tithe) one tenth payment. There is no record of tithe payment in the early church that we emulate.
Well, I’ll ask a question here: How come we talk about new covenant when we talk about burning of incense, the ten commandments, The blood and other offerings commanded by God in the Old testament, We refer to those practices as old testament practices. We follow the early church, but refuse to follow their style of giving why? Ananias and Saphira, other members of the early church didn’t pay tithe’s they gave free will offerings from their hearts. Do not forget that a freewill offering can be bigger than one tenth, it can be everything you possess but it is given willfully and cheerfully and without compulsion. Don’t you think that Tithing is a form of tax the Jews used to pay because God commanded them to do so? When Jesus came, he did away with all that church taxing and people gave free will offerings. Like I said earlier,The widows mite was a free will offering.
Leviticus 27:30-34 tells us what tithing is
Malachi 3:8-11 tells us how those who withhold their tithes will be “”cursed.”” I do not see anything said in Malachi 3 that can be applied to Christians in the New Testament.
Romans 10;4, Galatians 3:13-14 tells us how we are redeemed from the “”curse of the law.””
Compulsory tithing in the old testament is not the same thing as giving the new testament. Giving in the New Testament is seen as a privilege and not an obligation. 1cor 16;1-2 talks about setting aside money on the first day of the week, no one was compelled as to what percentage to set aside. 2cor 8;3 makes us understand that giving is a privilege. How come most of our Nigerian churches still make giving an obligation, so much so that it must be mentioned almost at every sermon.
Some churches do not bother to correct the lifestyles of their tithe payers in anyway, when a man can pay large sums as tithe, he is seen as obedient and blessed.
This has made some tithe payers not to show sympathy when other people fall into trials and temptations because they are taught that people who spend on drugs are paying to the devil for refusing to pay tithe. Many Nigerians are so brainwashed, so much so that most people now feel the key to heaven and affluence is tithe payment (The bigger, the most prosperous one becomes). The life style of some major tithe payers will leave one wondering if they think that Godliness and Practical Christian Living is all about tithe payment.
Most churches have forgotten the virtues of Christianity. Members are no longer taught that Godliness with contentment is great gain.
Members are no longer taught that patience, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control and other Christian virtues are still important. How would they learn when all they hear is “pay your tithe and become prosperous.” The lifestyle of many professing Christians is very bad, full of strife, envy, anger, hatred, backbiting and all yet they see nothing wrong because they are faithful tithe payers.
I believe a lot of Nigerians who study the Scriptures do know that there is no compulsory giving in the New Testament but they are too afraid to speak up They just go with the flow. After all it is a church tradition that they came and met, so they just continue with the rest.
We are to give to God’s work but God compelled the jews in the old testament and not the New testament Christians. God has given his children freedom to give cheerfully and of their free will.
I know many Nigerians may not believe me because they have already been given mighty positions in church for being among the biggest tithe payers and there is no going back. How do you tell your revered man of God that giving is no longer by compulsion? How do you risk being dropped from that mighty seat on the stage. The rate at which Nigerians donate tithes, if we give that much to charity, to the less privileged, suffering will reduce drastically in our dear country.
As far as I am concerned, I will continue to serve my God, he has been so good to me and I must support his work by giving of my free will. When you talk out compulsive giving, count me out. I am not for church traditions but for the true word of God.
Me again!
Monique.
Poor me, I never knew all these. Thank you expository Monique.
I couldn't bother reading past the first dew lines so permit me if I don't 'get' your point.
My darling Monique, nobody put a gun to ur head that you must pay tithe. I never heard a man died because he paid his tithe…also never heard a man was killed for not paying. People like me who do, have never complained. So pls, dnt pay your tithe. Keep it, eat it, spend it, donate it, throw it away…it doesn't affect the price of weaves.
* Making a mental note of what weave to fix next.* Ideas? Anyone? What's the best weave to use for a pixie cut or Rhianna hairstyle?
Hehehehe its Monique again.
Anyway tithe is not compulsory in my church,u won't even here an announcement pertaining that.
~BONARIO~says so via NOKIA3310
Dear Friend,
I have read your post, with Kin interest, it is rather unfortunate, you are one of the People who mix the new testament with the Old, please I do not mean to be insulting, but rather to project the truth, Your first reason for payment of tithe by Christians of the New testament is wrong and misleading, the Command to tithe was given in Leviticus and reminder in Malachi, while the New testament Started after the Death and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, by his death, and resurrection, Jesus fulfilled the law for those who believe.
Your second reason of paying a mere 10 defeats the new testament of giving as you have purposed in your heart. God does not force any amount on anybody in the New testament, more so, my dear tithe is now money, read Deuteronomy 14: 24-25
finally God is Almighty, He does not need your contribution to bless you, Like when he gave Only begotten Son to reconcile us back to Him self he did not need our contribution.
For the good record, God commanded the Children of Israel (the Eleven tribes) to pay tithe to the Levi tribe as God did not Give them any portion of Land, but gave them the Service of God in the temple, God told them not to do any kind of work but minister Please read Deuteronomy 18. Prophet Malachi reminded the Children of Israel of this Law which was given Leviticus 27:30-33.
I need to ask you which of the Tribes of Israel you belong to and your landed portion, then also God said that Christ is the end of the Law, the Law was fulfilled on the Cross and operates for those who believe. I am sure you are not aware that there are more than 600 laws in the Old testament, tithing is one of them. Read 2 Corinthians 3:11-14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 3:10-12.
Please read and get back to me for more. Let me emphasis here that I have not asked you not to willingly give 10% to any Church, but forceful obedience to the law is not right.
Contact me for more greatiyke@hotmail.com, 08034539939, skype:greatiyke
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Hehehehehe Ahdaisy where are u running to? Plz come and throw more light on this tithe issue,imma give give u sometime to prepare well.
Leave weave for Linda Ikeji blog,come and do justice to this issue,was waiting for ur view. Plz we're all ears abi eyes.
~BONARIO~says so via NOKIA3310
Why won't you read everything darl? Are u scared it may open your eyes too wide? No, it is worth reading and pondering over. You look tired already, go rest, come back later and read. You quote the Bible here and we read, anything wrong with you too learning from another Bible student?
Monique, you have touched the untouchable. Now be ready for their venom because to them spewing venom is not unchristian but defaulting in tithe payment is.
No sleep today o, na here I dey wait. Let me see who will call Monique bad names.
I will personally reply them.
Exactly… Fela's sentiments
But Ahdaisy, you and religious issues, you sit so comfortably on it. As I was reading, my heart and brain was mesmerising about what AhDaisy would have posted. After all, she didn't disappoint my assumptions.
I have been fortunate to see other part of the world,and have come to the conclusion that 90% of nig Christian are not real,all they know in nig church is give,give,give and the church do little or nothing to give back to the society who they collect so much from,people are even scared to critique their pastor.i rather feed an hungry man or child than pay it as tithe to a church.they use the money to build expensive schools that 99% of their members children can not afford,am a Christian, Nigerian church don't preach Christ anymore it's all about money.
I have been fortunate to see other part of the world,and have come to the conclusion that 90% of nig Christian are not real,all they know in nig church is give,give,give and the church do little or nothing to give back to the society who they collect so much from,people are even scared to critique their pastor.i rather feed an hungry man or child than pay it as tithe to a church.they use the money to build expensive schools that 99% of their members children can not afford,am a Christian, Nigerian church don't preach Christ anymore it's all about money.
Monique am with you on this,u are so on point.
I'm still very much awake o… Still have some reading to do so make I use this blog dey cool my head.
@ Anon, thanks. I have done that look, I used Pro 10. Just looking for a new look, that's why I want to do a short hairstyle but I no get liver to cut my hair.
@ Bona and Jazzy, my darling my sugar my honey *in Joan Rivers' voice* 🙂
Trust me, I have come in contact with many people of this opinion. I have had this argument so many times and my only conclusion is that, to each his own. If you feel it's wrong, by all means, don't do it.
My only slight irritation is that ;
1. Why reject it so badly since it is not a sin?
Or is it?
2. Did Jesus condemn it?
3. Will the devil tell you to give to the ministry?
4. Why try so hard to convince others that it is bad?
5. So all the people who don't pay tithe help the needy?
6. As you have not been paying your tithe, did it affect the body of Christ?
7. Is it everything in the old testament that was scrapped?
8. Is ur message in any way exalting the body of Christ?
9. Did this write up just win any souls?
10. Is it capable of winning souls if broadcast on a bigger scale, say on CNN?
11. Is tithing now the problem with the world and the church?
12. If it is stopped, will the world suddenly become a better place?
13. Pls which church gives people posts based on how much tithe they pay?
14. In my church, I know for a fact that some of the biggest tithers (I am assuming based on their jobs and status) have no post. They are simply brother this or sister that…in fact, they are so successful that their businesses and jobs will not permit them (time wise)to hold posts in church.
15. Have you ever heard that a man became broke because he paid his tithe?
Anyway, like I said earlier, I am not about to start arguing this issue cos to me it's meaningless to try to make people stop paying tithe. I commend you for the divorce post, but this is plain unnecessary. And I get wary of people who are comfortable attacking churches and pastors… I have seen them come and go. I have seen them realize later on that it was so wrong of them.
Lastly, I always say this, if a man asked me to bring 10 of all my earnings and promises to do all what is written in Malachi as reward for tithing, and I am 100% sure he can deliver, will I hesitate in paying it?
Therefore brethren I beseech you by the mercies of God, that it is better to pay your tithe and find out in heaven that it was not compulsory, than not pay, and be labelled a thief in Heaven. Can a man rob God?
Monique,paying tithe is not by force. Infact being a christian is not by force. If you are not comfortable paying tithe, don't! #Dazall.
If ure in a church where tithe payment is emphasised and ure not comfortable with it,Look for another church.
In my opinion,Religious arguments are pointless. People believe what they want to believe,they have their mindset and convictions. its just a whole lot of back and forth. I believe christianity is a walk with the holy spirit. If ure in doubt about anything,ask him,he'll guide you.
U pay ur tithe o,you don't pay ur tithe o,God is still God. I personally pay my tithe. I've been blessed paying my tithe. I encourage my friends to. But like I said,its not by force.
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Hahaha… Ace, I am so glad I did not disappoint. It's a good thing people know me for something and can tell what I can and cannot do. Contrary to what some of you think, many people will support Monique and I predict this will turn into a church and pastors bashing session. I know that, but I couldn't give a flying doughnut even if I had a gazillion of it.
*Stand up for what you believe, even if you're standing alone.*
15 views, 15 likes, I viewer…. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Gbam, thank u Ahdaisy. If u don't want to pay then don't but don't confuse other pple.Am a celestial n I pay my tithe cos it works for me. Do ur own thing n don't drag other pple into it.
Wow, just wow! Monique, don't I just love u? I liked the way u responded to the lady that called u a fat cow in the divorce post. Now my love for u has soared higher. God bless u for this, I'm not a very vocal person I would have posted something like this but I'm happy someone has the save view as me. God bless u sister!
God is still God my dear! In fact, you and Ahdaisy have said it all. Monique dear, if you are confused about anything that has to do with Christianity, ask the Holy Spirit…He's your teacher, your helper, your guide.
Tithe paying is not a sin, and with my korokoro eyes, I have seen how those who do it are elevated by God ( Case in point…my elder sister). Biko Monique, leave those who want to pay tithe to do it….it's their choice. You can choose not to pay it if you want too.
I like what Ada said that its better to pay your tithe on earth and find out in heaven that it wasn't compulsory, than not paying it and then being labelled a thief in heaven.
Hmnnnnn Monique, I sha hope that this post of yours won't lead people astray and then you will b held responsible by God. Hmnnnnn.
Dats ur Own as for me I pay tithe because am convinced in ma spirit to do so, I work hard to make money n no one can tell me how to spend it , meanwhile no one is forcing U. Peju.
Western ways of christianity I hv come to discover is different frm African's esp Nigeria's,in abroad especially Europe wen u go 2 church on sunday u'll see dat during offertory many pple dnt evn stand up n wen dey do dey put in d smallest amount in their purse.
Am nt saying that tithing is bad,am jst concerned abt the publicity n attention it gets,in catholic church its a private thing,u drop it in a box or give it 2 a priest n he'll bless u bt in other churches,like Living Faith 4 instance(and am nt sure its in all branches) its announced like evry sunday. In sch,I see students paying tithe(I thought its 4 workers?) Bt that aside,I dnt condem tithe,bkos I pay mine bt am also worried d way its made a do or die affair in some churches esp by som pastors who'll scare d hell outta u abt dat nt paying tithe. God shuld give His pple insight#Ugo#
Thanks Monique, I pay tithe bcos it's my church' tradition, not because I feel it's a commandment from God. He doesn't compel us. Anne
Why all d fuss? I also pay bcos others r paying. Jesus never asked for tithe, the early church didn't pay tithe, the Jews did. Tayo
It is extremely difficult to change a brainwashed man.
Lol
Very funny post.
After all this research,your opinion remains your opinion….someone will read this post and still tithe on sunday:)
That is what we call "personal decision",my dear!
Hahaha Ahdaisy, dis one no be Logic class o, abeg quote Bible as usual to support and back up yourself. Abi Monique quoted everything? #FoodForThought
Galaxy.
@Chinazor Ezeh, please listen to yourself dear. The Bible that would be used for judgement and all, is it different from the one Monique just quoted??
I just have only one question to ask. WCR(Wives connection readers) you guys don't sleep? See the debate that was going on while men slept! Wow. Well done all of you oh. Bona, Ace, Ahdaizy and co.
@Peju, so your holy spirit does not agree with the Bible? Quote let us see. The Bible is the only point of reference. The Holy Spirit doesn't work against the Bible, so back up your claims.
How come it's only Monique that is quoting the Bible today? Wetin happen now? Me I only believe when you back up with Bible passages abeg. I no dey take Logical reasoning do Church o.
Monique, u r nt serious ooh! Wat kinda post is this? If ur spirit tells u tithing is wrong,follow ur heart but dnt try to initiate pple on something as delicate as this! I guess u still do n read the old testament, so y is tithing the only thin bothering! My dear,nt evrythn ur heart conceiveth that u shud give way too! Its a tradition in my church 2 pay tithe(dats nt even y I consider it), I dnt pay always cos I dnt work n all,but I still av dis guilt in me 4 nt paying, I know wat tithing does,so I understand d principle bhind it! The same way u talk abt tithe,u wud soon say churches ask 4 money a lot# y not give if u can n leave God to settle those that r out 2 rip u off by collectin it wrongly#
Divorce post made sense, but this tithe post doesn't make sense 🙂
I'm sorry to say but u seem like someone hu can b easily deceived. Monique stated her beliefs, however wrong and as the laid back person u seem to be, u did not make any further reasearch on the topic but decided to go wt d flow.
My dear, ild rather obey God's commandment on earth and find out in heaven that it was unnecessary not d other way round.
I'll advise u to learn to be vocal, that way, ul b able to air YOUR OWN views.
Monique,y donnt u also tell us that the 10 commandment is an old law and we do not necessarily av to abide by it? I bet u will pull crowd wt dis church u intend to start while reading d bible upside Down. Pls ild love to read ur take on that.
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@Ahdaisy Jaydey why will you post your comment here when you have not even read the article? is that not silly? Please read the article.
Hello Monique,its easy to quote parts of the bible that suit you but remember Christ said he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Bear in mind that the tithes being paid were to cater for the Levites. The levites in this day would refer to the pastors and their families,if you have a full time pastor with wife and kids-how would you expect him to feed and cater for his own. You called those who divorce selfish, at least thats to their fellow beings. I also call you a selfish and mischievous person, remember anyone who tries to twist the words of the Lord to lead people astray would get their reward in full. If you are a very analytical person, why not analyse boston bombing or come home and analyse boko haram and amnesty. Youve just proved that your mind needs transforming
People can keep helping their pastors build schools that they cant even afford for their own kids. I really dont give a flying fuck.
If i too could open a church and drain your pockets i would.
Maybe not my exact points but Monique isn't off the track. I av a personal conviction to pay my tithes (maybe from wt I learnt in church when I was younger but now, not after studying philosophy for 5 yrs of my life, I know what to bliv and what not to bliv, its not atheism, its education), so I pay my tithes, bcos I was in d process of changing my place of worship at some point, I wasn't attending church services for a while, so at d end of the month when I get paid, I split my tithe into bit and give them as alms to beggars, or give it to a needy (d person has to need it to feed, not to swag up). So since then, I began to find fulfillment in giving my tithes in form of alms than to take it to church! The church, left to me does not need my money to survive, atleast my church is one of d few churches where der pastors don't av a private jet! I am a Methodist! One day though, at work, we had dis discussion abt tithing, some ppl (christians) were bashing dos dt don't pay tithes, in my mind, I felt like a tither and shooked my mouth in d conversation o! I was told that my tithe isn't tithe unless I take it to the house of God!!!!!!!!! See me o! Even if its my exact 10%?? So d beggars I'm give my mny to are houses of the devil??? You see y christianity at times ehn! Since den I strictly made up my mind neva 2 take my tithe to church! I like d fact dt I am filling needs elsewia, dey need my money more dan d church! Carry cane flog me, is it not my money?
monique, monique, monique, u are so blessed with this your post, no matter how u peeps view it, tithe is not meant for christians( new covenant) bt for the people of the old covenant. giving should be freewill, monique, pls come up with more posts here. ure so on point wit ur divorse n tithe post. are u a coc member? peeps, if u wanna serve God, do it the bible way, if u dont wanna serve God, then dont be on d fence, "if u are neither hot nor cold i would spit u out of my mouth". thumbs up monique…
Well all I can say is "we know in part and we prophesy in part but when that which is perfect comes that which is imperfect will go away" we really don't know much and he have questions that needs to b answered by God himself but I think we should try to make heaven first so that we can hv the opportunity to ask God those questions. That said, I suggest we shld just obey the two commandment jesus christ gave us ie love ur God and love your neighbour as your self. if you truly love the lord your God with all your heart, might and strength I bet you'll give him more than 10%. Let's just do what Jesus commandment us and not be "wise" in our eyes and let's not think we can figure out everything there's a reason for the word called MYSTERY.
Yeah, I read it before I posted the second comment and as I had earlier guessed, nothing new. You ppl sha want us to argue. Why will I be arguing about something that will bless you? If you like pay your tithe, if you dnt want…na for ya poket!
Funny enough, you never see Christians do posts to preach to people the message of salvation and grace. Na this kain rubbish we dey like argue about. You also never see Muslims condemn Islamic practices or condemn Imams or their leaders…na only Christians like to dey fall our hand for outside. No wahala. God dey!
don't pay your tithe oh, your'e on your own, its called kingdom investment……bcos it is written in the old testament doesn't mean its d old covenant biko, go ahead and research some more so that you wouldn't confuse yourself and other new christians
My dear ooo!, me i'm always careful wen it comes to church and bible matters, i'm just worried dat pple might be led to believe what isn't right. Dat's why i prefer to ask the Holy spirit, and He teaches me all things. Like Soulspasm said above, christianity is a walk with the Holy spirit. *shrugs*
Isn't it easier to air ur views without being insultive? Why have u picked on me, am I the only person in support of Monique's post? It's u hypocritical brainwashed Christians like u that need to re-examine urself. Mufasa my fucking foot, go meet ur mates in lion king…that's where u belong and not amongst human. Silly lion!!
@Tope 100 Likes and 150 Thumbs UP for you!!!
@Naomi, GBAM!! Thank you for challenging them. When we talked about divorce here, they were all quoting Bible passages to back up their claims. Today na only Holy spirit dem dey talk about. They can't even find scriptures to confirm their beliefs.
Monique has finished all of them including including my Ahdaisy.
Lol @ kingdom investment. You can't buy God's blessings. If like tithe from here reach macedonia, God blesses whomever he chooses. Monique thank u o jare. I did not support ur divorce theory but u r on point here.
@Teerex, maybe you haven't heard that in our dear country, junior pastors are not even paid in some churches. What makes you think that freewill offering can't pay pastors' salaries?
Junior pastors are given big cars to promote the ministeries while they eat eba and meatless soup at home most times. Don't members pay tithe?
#GoDoYourReseach.
Thank you Shayor, my wife and I decided a few years back to give our monies to the poor and to orphanages rather than give to our churches in this age and time that are even richer than some African countries.
There is joy in giving to those who truly need and not those who will invest it into Business and sell services that I can't afford to pay for.
When my church started building a school. members contributed and started the project. Now that it is working, no one asks for contributions anymore. It is as if they did it themselves. Both children of members and non members pay the same amount for School fees. No discount at all for kids of members who contributed to start this project. I serve my God well but refuse to be blinfolded.
Even those churches with expensive Universities. I hear members used to contribute initially. Now, except those on Scholarship, other members do not even have a percentage of discount at least for being shareholders if I may put it that way.
#IRestMyCase
Yes O..,Monique has finished brainwashed Christians like us. Ehyaa..but I like my brainwashed state. Better than have a 'dirty brain'… Loolz…
Abeg, make we leave this matter, as far as it is not a sin to pay your tithe, I will pay my tithe, sew my seeds, pay my first fruit, give offerings, handle projects in church, sew my car, my house, my jewelry, my kids! As long as I dnt come and beg anyone for money…. Let the devil be mad!!! Ha!
Kingdom investment is no more Godly living, it is no more winning souls for the kingdom, it is no more influencing others with your christlike character, it is now paying money as kingdom investment. May ppls eyes be opened.
Don't decieve your self dear ask for the Holy spirit to understand the bible. U don't use canal understanding to understand the bible. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 dat he has not come to abolish the law of moses( the old testament) but he has come to fulfil them. Tithe is for your good the place where God asked u to test him and see. Later u say no weapon formed against me shall prosper or prayers from psalms are they not in the old testament?
GBAMMMMM!!!
Ahdaisy every1 has a right to his/her own opinion. I think u were a little rude to Monique by saying 'did anyone put a gun to her head that she must pay her tithe and she shld keep her tithe, eat it, keep it, throw it'. No b fight now, just say y u disagree. I don't agree with her but I dnt have to insult her. Let's say things to pple how we'll like 2 b spoken 2.
If the old testement has been abolished,why don't u stop following the 10 commandments? Cos the 10 commandments came from the old testement.. Why don't u stop believing in prophesies and all cos it came from the old testement.. U shouldn't even believe Jesus is Lord cos he's coming was prophesied from the old testement and since it has been abolished,nothing in the bible should be believed..
As jayde said,whether u pay ur tithe or not,it doesn't affect anyone,just don't lead people astray cos that won't be fair.. Some people wouldn't go deep and search for things themselves but would believe what another person put up.. Its only christains u see embarrasing themselves outside,u can't find any moslem saying the teachings of mohammed or iman is bad,but christains would condemn themselves
The catholics would want to be heard,the pentecostals would want to be heard not knowing at the end of the day,been a christain and knowing God are 2 different things, and if u know God well,u wouldn't put up this post cos God started from the beginning and that was from genesis,so if God said we should paay our tithes and be blessed in the old testement,where did he say we shouldn't pay our tithe in the new testement?
By the way, offering,alms giving and tithe are 3 different things..
Offering is what u give to the church out of ur own free will
Tithe is the 10% of ur income that is required of us to pay( can a man rob God? Yet u have robbed me in tithe and offfering! Bring meat into my house thaat there may be food in my house and prove me not if I will not open the windows of heaven and pour thee out a blessing that there may not be enough room to contain them)
Alms giving is what u give to the poor,motherless homes and beggers…
So don't confuse the 3
She's just saying its over-rated, it has been promoted above other christian virtues and duties. Did she say it is a sin to pay tithe?
I beliv in tithe. In Malachi 3 vs 10-12. God also promise us to test him in tithe nd he will open windows of heaven nd pour out abundance of all kind of gud things nd many more. I hv heard many testimonies of peopl dt ar payin tithe.
Why does the church ask us to pay tithe? The Message bible says “so there will be ample provisions in my Temple (Mal 3:10)”. Is it compulsory? Yes: for everyone that is a MEMBER of a church – not a NUMBER. The command was given to God’s people, not mere church goers.
What percentage? By definition, tithe is 10%… of what? Gross Income, Net Income, Profit before/after tax, Income minus allowance, etc? It suddenly becomes complicated… In the old testament (including the new), tithe was for harvest (crops/animals, etc). Same principle applies to first fruit. We can appreciate the fact that it is easy to determine the tenth of a harvest versus the first set of harvest. For salary earners and business men (including housewives, house-husbands, students, etc), determining what should be paid as tithe normally becomes an issue. The Pastors/Bishops do not seem to have an answer. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you (if you're a believer).
What did Jesus say concerning tithe paying? He condemned Pharisees for leaving out the important subjects of God’s love, mercy, & faith while they concentrate on tithe paying (Luke 11:42; Matt 23:23). Note – He did not condemn tithe paying in anyway, neither did He talk against the principle!
I pay tithe not because the pastor asked me to; but I am encouraged by the Word of God to contribute to the propagation of the gospel of Jesus Christ – and ensure there are provisions in the house of God.
Then why do I still give offerings? While tithe is mandatory contribution, offering is the free-will giving. I give an offering of ‘what I want and how I want’ with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Let me try to use an analogy to differentiate between mandatory and free-will giving. Every month, I give steady allowance to my aged mom (mandatory). This does not stop giving and buying stuffs for her on regular basis (free-will), everytime I visit.
I will encourage everyone who has a church where s(he) is fed to set aside funds as part of your monthly contribution to ensuring there are provisions in the house. I will leave the calculation of percentage to you… Also give freely as the Lord lays it in your heart every time you have the opportunity. Like Ahdaisy said, will the devil tell you to pay tithe?
Lizzy, I'm sorry but I did not see that as an insult. But if you consider it as insulting, you should also consider the tone of her post. But anyway, I'm sorry.
@Ahdaisy..you said too much.its not your place to defend the Bible or God's law.
@Monique…pls read Mark 12:17,Luke 20:25,Matthew 22:21.
Also read Matthew 5:17,Romans 3:31.
Funmi Obe.
Wow! I see dat the state of ur gullibility has affected every area of ur thinkn faculty.thank God monique has taught u hw to voice ur inner self. Unfortunately, she can't teach u to read, carry out proper research and understand. When u can confidently do that, get back to me.
Too bad. And to D next Anon,I'm sorry I won't grace u wt a reply. Ure too insignificant for that.
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My thoughts exactly! I read the post by monique and all I can say is christianlity is a personal race! If u want or don't want to tithe its ur decision. Shikenan
LEAVE THAT CHURCH ASAP!! Tithing is compulsory, like Ahdaisy said where did Jesus condemn it ?? Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
GOD is the same yesteday and forever UNCHANGEABLE, AND CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE! .. Monique said some people dnt mind giving 50 per cent of their earnings , thats fine, but whateveR u do u MUST pay 10 per cent.. thats d compulsory part if u pay 50 even 100 u get repaid n blessed in more folds shaken togeda running over cos it would be counted as an offering. we should not mix offerings with tithe if u pay 100 percent the 10 per cent is d tithe, the remaining 90 is an offering.
REASONS WHY WE MUST PAY TITHES
1. GOD COMMANDED IT
2. IT BLESSES THE REST OF YOUR EARNINGS COS U DECIDED TO PUT GOD FIRST
3. PAYING A MERE 10 PERCENT FROM THE ABUNDANCE GOD HAS GIVEN U WONT KILL U.
4 PAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE GOD BIGGER, ITS FOR UR BENEFIT. WHENEVER GOD COMMANDS US TO DO SOMETHING ITS FOR OUR BENEFIT
I know some people will attack the fact that some things were changed like the sacrifice of lambs but thats cos God had given a better sacrifice in its place that seals it n fulfills it forever and no other sacrifice needs to be done. This means that God is d SAME on the matter of sacrifices cos He still allowed a sacrifice of Himself but this time it was once and for all. No where in d bible does Jesus say we shouldnt instead He said to the tax collector to give unto Caesar what is Caesars SIMPLES!
GIVE UNTO GOD WHAT IS GODS' FAILURE TO DO SO WILL AMOUNT TO ROBBING GOD JUST AS FAILURE TO PAY UR TAXES IS A CRIME TO THE GOVERNMENT OF YOUR NATION WHUCH U ARE UNDER . IN THE SPIRITUAL, THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN LAID ON JESUS'SHOULDERS AND WE MUST PAY OUR TAXES(TITHES) TO HIM.
I've not been faithful with this as well but am making strong efforts with God on my side , i wnt rule it out as a defence for my inefficiencies and unfaithfulness.. GOD HELP US ALL
I NO FIT TAKE CHANCES COME REACH THE PEARLY GATES AND HEAR SAY I WAS WRONG I SUPPOSE PAY MA TITHES AND GET BOUNCED COS OF 10 PER CENT KPERE HEHEHEHEH.. I'D RATHER GET THERE AND HEAR THAT AWWW U DIDNT HAVE TO BE PAYING UR TITHES BT ITS OK COME IN ! HOW IT WOULD MATTER FOR HEAVEN THAT I PAID IT EVEN WHEN I WASNT MEANT TO , U GO TELL ME….
I came back to check if you're still ranting and u didn't disappoint me. u had no right, none whatsoever to attack me in the first place…state ur views and leave. (that's how matured people behave) useless, non-entity, faceless cyber bully like you. It's idiots like you that go about thinking you can buy miracle with money or you can bribe God with you ill gotten money. If you think you know it all, please do you research, back it up with relevant bible passages and come let's talk. For now, go back to the zoo where you belong, your mates are waiting for you!!! You have just bitten the tail of a tiger and i will so haunt you on this blog.
I'll be back to check on you, cos I know after playing with your mates in the Zoo you'll come back to spew your useless unsolicited vile comments.
Today is workers day and nothing to do, i'll all out waiting for you!!!!
THANK U O JARE!!!
tithe is paying that is the reason why it is God called it robbery . So it is different from giving. Giving is out of goodwill. if you don't want to give fine it is not by force NOTE that the ministry will still move on after al you weren't there when God called His ministers. Jesus said if the people stop clapping and praising Him He will command/raise the stones to do it. And the same bible that you read to oppose the paying of tithe said if any man draws back my soul shall not be pleased with him, am going to advise you not to discourge /confuse the babes in christ. You only read the bible to oppose that is the reason why there is no revelation so its like newspaper and novel. if somebody testifies to God's goodness as a result of paying tithe who is he to dispute it. GOD does not need anybody's consent, approval or witness to do His work. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY YR TITHE SPEND IT WITH ALL PLEASURE.
Ahdaisy Jayde 1000 thumbs up for all ur post,u re just too much. Some persons just dey claim d name xtain make e no b like say dem no join,its a pity…and for u monique kip draging people to hell u hear,hence u derive pleasure in deciding for God? on d last day na u and God go settle am.u can't drag God's word with him…
I love you for this comment! What can't people ask themselves what the purpose of tithing is. Is it to feed the preacher? Is it for the congregation whenever they have issues that money can solve? What is it for? Why does the 10% go into the pastor's pocket and never come out unless it's to spend on himself? Look, I'd be so much more happier and I'm sure God won't be angry with me if I gave that money to somebody who desperately needed it, than to put it in a church that will only ask a poverty stricken man to give what he can't. Come on Nigerians!!!!!! Why don't we use our brain to think?! Tithing no longer benefits the congregation, instead it has become an issue for some, even to the point where they can no longer afford a basic meal in a day. Monique was so right here. We've become accustomed to doing whatever the preacher (called or not) tells us to, for no other reason than because he/she is a pastor. I'm tired of this nonsense, for real! The greatest commandment of all is no longer obeyed. We don't live by love anymore. instead, all we get in the church is strife, envy, gossip, back stabbing and the list goes endlessly on. Instead of preaching love, we hear pay your tithe because that is the way forward. I am so tired of the African church. Yes, the AFRICAN church. That God didn't say we should not disobey the law by not paying 10% does not mean does not mean he commanded for it to be this way. This was simply the law of the land and not God's instruction to pay 10%.
Thank you! I've hearch of churches where they out tithe and offering in open tray for everyone to see. And if the usher doesn't think you've put enough (as in drop stacks on the try), they'll ask you to put more! For goodness sake, what is going on inside the African church? Church has turned to business instead of a community where we show love to one another. Tithing isn't a bad thing, but the church today puts so much emphasis on it. Is tithe the only thing to preach now or what? Wetin na!
i have short hair one..rihanna style kinda and I used 27pieces and prenium now 8inches.
As for the tithe issue..me i wont put my mouth..paying of tithe is very crucial.dnt misintepret Gods words.for me it works like magic.there is always provision and he rebukes devourers for my sake so as for me, i will always pay my tithe……
The animal is not yet here.
********** grabs popcorn and a bottle of coke and continue to wait
Mufasa the uncultured Buffon, where are u? i can see you're still having a nice time with your people @ the Zoo….. I do not blame you, when animas are released to co-habit with humans they forget they are in the midst of humans, they still behave like animals. I even forgot u're a lion, lions attack without being attacked. Well, you picked on the wrong person!
I'm still waiting patiently.
Anuofia!
OMG Adhaisy my love for u knows no bound. I won't say much on this post cos u hav said it all.*doffs cap*
*coughs* madam lizzie pls Adhaisy didn't insult Monique. If u are a believer u will undastand where the anger is coming from.
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CANALITY is the word. Smh .Jesus is coming soon oh. Some people just fink Pastors need their cash to survive. The earlier you realise the pressure to pay tithe is for your own good the better for you after all when you become prosperous its not the pastor dat will enjoy on ur behalf.
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monique hasn't said paying tithe is wrong, she has only said its overrated, which means some pastors/churches place more emphasis on tithing(cos they see it as a means of feeding themselves)than other areas of the word of God, for ahdaisy jayde, your comments are good but sometimes a lengthy answer doesn't do the work,God cannot be defended, he can defend himself, as the good christian that you are attending a bible believing church, all you need do is pray for the poster to receive the revelation of the word of God if you think she is talking out of ignorance,as much as paying tithe is part of our commission as Christians so also is praying for one another.
from my little understanding of the word preached to me in church, we r judged with the works of our hands at the time the giver of life comes calling, its not previous deeds of giving tithe, which means if u just finish giving tithe and as you turn your back you refuse to forgive the brother that cut the line preventing you from reaching the altar first and the giver of life comes calling,that person is judged with the last act of forgiveness, there is indeed blessing in tithing but also we need to know our faith plays a bigger role in us receiving blessing from God.
its time pastors in nigeria focus on other ares of the word of God instead of solely focusing on tithe, on a lighter note, its easy to pay tithe in nigeria cos majority don't pay tax, if in the uk, by the time you are taxed and the rest of your income isn't even sufficient to pay from your fone bills to your water rates, that individual will even tell God to hold on, the person won't remember to pay tithe sef. its until we get to heaven before we know right or wrong, if you have got the holy spirit revelation of paying tithes pray for others to receive
Hmmmm it is appalling to see that people are looking 4 lame excuses not to pay their tithes. You're looking for Bible passages abi? What does Malachi 3 verse 11 say? Incase you don't know, there's a life after this life and what we do here on earth will determine if we'll b with GOD or not. Haven't you noticed that you don't say giving tithe rather you say, paying tithes? GOD was not drunk when he instructed that tithes ought to be paid. In the passage that the writer quoted earlier, Jesus was talking about giving something of value to GOD that's why He made reference to the widow's mite citing that she gave her all. Its only people that have a poverty stricken mentality that will be arguing about payment of tithes. Mind you, if you're not tither, hell is your destination. No matter how righteous you think you are dnt let the attitude of non-tithing deny you of eternity in Heaven. Give to God via tithes, offerings, other kingdom investments. Give to His Prophets over your life. Give to your parents and give to the poor. All these guaranty financial breakthrough. Live in accordance to God's word. Be a man/woman of GOD's word who is given to prayer and fastings, worship, praise and engage in kingdom service. Come to a point where its your lifestyle that is preaching the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST and the good LORD will enable you to grow in the faith. Leave all these non-tithing nonsense, its just a ploy to divert people to hell. GOD bless you all.
tithing is also part of it. its not about buying God's blessings
Monique arnt u supposed 2 b a kingdom builder(both soulwise and moneywise), so y come here 2 discourage shaky christians abt ur views! Things like this wen u dnt undastand,ask the holyspirit. And white faithful christians also do this tithing and preach abt it! So I dnt think its a naija thing #pls let's try 2 limit this kind of post abeg
We are not saved by works, thus failing to tithe will not necessarily send you to hell, but doing so will help improve your life and strengthen your relationship with God. I personally don't believe that God will curse us if we don't tithe, but I do believe He will help us escape the curse that is already in the world if we do. I also understand that there may be some church leaders who try to guilt and coerce people into giving, but studies show there are plenty of church leaders honoring God in this area — the majority of them want to share God's best with the people they love and have been tasked to lead.
I have never made a comment on this blog but this one, I must say it baffles me a bit because tithing is not negotiable. Where do we get off trying to be so western and quoting the bible in ways that suit us? The issue of tithing is personal though it'd be risky not to tithe. It is not your business what the church ends up doing with your tithe, thats entirely for God and them to settle. You owe it to God.
I think as Christians we should try to correct one another with love, cos i believe dat the sum of all the commandments is "love the Lord ur God with all ur heart'' and ''love ur neighbour as yourself''. We all may not understand the bible fully and it may take a while for some to grasp certain principles. Only the Holy Spirit can actually give understanding of issues in the bible.
God bless you for the "correction in love". I think the problem is with some people thinking that "theirs is the truth" and their opinion and no one else's is right. Forgetting that all wisdom comes from God and His word. We don't know anything other than what God has said. But no, everyone these days has "their own" theory.
My sentiments exactly….Thank you.
I have a small question for those who claim that they got 'blessed' and "elevated" becos they paid tithe….
1. Did God tell you that it was because you paid the tithe that the 'elevation; or 'blessing' came?
2. Does it mean that all those not paying tithe and being 'elevated' are not being blessed by God? Is it devil's blessing they are getting?
3. Did God not promise us unending blessing as sons of Abraham even before he knew us or we got a job talk less of paying tithe?
4. Is God blessing people who pay tithe more than people who dont?
5. Do you CANDIDLY think that paying your tithe brings you blessings? If so, how do you measure 10% of your increase to be exactly sure that you paid 10% and not 9.5%? because i am sure the bible didnt use d word salary therefore u cant just be paying 10% of your salary.
6. What of those who pay tithe consistently and still never do well, are evil spirits from their village pursuing them? what do you now tell them?
Eerrrr….sorry my small question turned into six questions o! but i still have more after u answer these ones.
It has never and will never be because of what we do or didnt do that God will bless us!! It's not by works, it's by faith.
Christianity is a walk of FAITH, it's the faith that makes u believe in a walk with a Spirit you can't see or touch or hear audibly. If Monique doesnt pay her tithe and believes in Christ, God still loves her and heaven is her portion. If Ahdaisy pays tithe and believes in Christ, God still loves her and heaven is her portion.
Stop using harsh tones with each other and show love instead. Sorry for the sermon *blushes pink*
@teerex, be careful while you caution others lest you fall victim of your own caution……you are also quoting the portion of the bible that suits you, the tithe isn't meant for levites alone……it mentions four categories of people who the tithe should be shared amongst.
Also, most of our pastors are not full time pastors, they own land properties and cars that church members have not dreamt of owning.
When u say Christ came to fulfill the law, i dont think you understand what it means. Christ didnt live under the law, he showed us a better way to live without being bound by laws and that way is the way of love. That's why it is the greatest commandment. With love present, all law is fulfilled.
a word of advice: throw away the harsh words and name calling and let's discuss these issues in love.
Ada there is much wisdom in your comment. However, i ll just add that in tithing or giving money to church in whatever form, it's to show love to everyone around us, if the money is used to propagate the gospel, it's because we love everyone enough to wish that they hear the good news, if it is used to help the needy, same thing, the purpose is love.
Gbam!!! I dunno why these non-tithers always try to justify their not tithing…..I pay tithe, I no pay tithe how does it bother you?! I don't see any tither coming on any blog and being 'angry' at non-tithers. You tithe, you don't tithe, God is still on the throne o! I'm a proud Christian and I pay tithe and I can testify I'm seeing the results o!
Tithe is under the Law (Lev 27:30-33, Christianity is under grace (Romans 6:14b), as a Jew is under the curse of not paying tithe so is a Christian believer who runs under the law places himself or herself under a curse Galatians 3:10. We have been in the dark for too long, Christianity is not promise + Law, it is strictly Promise, as no portion of the Law can please God, but faith and the Law is not of faith. I have a book coming soon on the Truth about Tithes in Christ Jesus, contact me for more to greatiyke@hotmail.com or phone 08034539939
Where are the berean-like christians, who search the scriptures to see if what their pastors are teaching them is the truth?
How many of us have taken the time to study the scriptures (old and new testament) to see what it says concerning tithes, as opposed to regurgitating what we have heard/ been told or cherry picking scriptures?
How many of us have even read the bible through, Genesis to Revelation, even once?
May God help us all.
Hmmm, it is well, tithe is never mentioned in new testament, if tithe is that important Bible will mentioned it as many times as the Bible mentioned giving, and most especially because of the gentiles that are new to tithing, they said tithes are for the continuity if the work if God, that is not even the reason for tithing in the old testament so its better they don't call it tithe but something else and pls check, gal 3:3-4, if u want to obey the law that means you want to work out your salvation by yourself and Jesus has died for nothing, so if you still want to be under the law pls, for heaven sake do all and don't just puck one, and all means tithing, circumsition, burnt offering sabbath and all that if you do only tithing and leave the rest, you are on your own