Hi Anty, pls I will like people’s opinion on your blog about Ipad and other electronic devices replacing The Hardcover Paper Bible in the church. Do we call
It modern or? WHAT’S YOUR TAKE? Do you think its okay or not?
Please can we all say what we think or how we feel about this cos me I see it a lot in church these days but I’m so stuck with my Hardcover Bible that I don’t think I can boot and open an Ipad in church to read o. Maybe am old skool but that is just me. Most preachers mount the pulpit with their Ipads but I still love it when I see a preacher flipping through the pages of a Bible.
What do you think?
It modern or? WHAT’S YOUR TAKE? Do you think its okay or not?
Please can we all say what we think or how we feel about this cos me I see it a lot in church these days but I’m so stuck with my Hardcover Bible that I don’t think I can boot and open an Ipad in church to read o. Maybe am old skool but that is just me. Most preachers mount the pulpit with their Ipads but I still love it when I see a preacher flipping through the pages of a Bible.
What do you think?
The answer is simple!!! You are stuck in the past and so laid back. It's not even the bible or the gadgets, it's the world of God Which one who owns a bible may not even use as much as one who owns a tablet.
I don't know why this bothers people.Jesus read from the Torah that was in scrolls.There was no King James and all then.Its just development,modern facilities.In fact you can have all the bible versions in your ipad which makes it handy instead of carrying 4 bibles.Its more convenient
If you truly read the word of God, you won't be this rude. Grow up
I also prefer Hardcover at church even though I read with my Ipad at home.
It's d word that matters.
any which way its GODS WORD. do you practice it.?! thats what matters
I'm kinda old school and still love and use my hardcover! Its choice dear poster. Nothing wrong wt the gadget. It only hurts when pple use it for ostentatious reasons. For me though, its slows my passion for reading the bible cos u get to concentrate on intended passage unlike hard cover where u may start out to read a particular verse, and another catches ur interest. Its ur heart intention that matters.
You are so right anon 10:47 am. The vehemence was over the top. Happy Sunday all.
Nigerians love the efizzy effect.
Efizzy or not, you cannot grasp the hidden treasures reading strictly one version of the bible… the ipad and other tablets give you the opportunity to see what the scripture is saying (I’m not taking out the place of the Holy Spirit o) as you have the opportunity to cross check how other versions put the message. So the tablets make studying the scriptures much more fruitful.
However, I struggle to see how bibles loaded on phones will help anyone; basically because you cannot mark, highlight, tag, underline on the phone bibles… I am aware you can do this with tablets – that’s if you know how to use them. The challenge is that many that carry these tablets do not know how to use them effectively. You do not have these issues with the hardcover bibles which can be easily underlined and highlighted for future references.
Trust me the only people that will be bothered about this recent development,are those who place do mich emphasis on the bible more than the world in it,those who perceive only those that carry bible as true Christians and dismiss others as unserious christians. Those who conclude erroneously that anyone who can quote every verse in the bible offhand is a true and powerful man of God while others are not powerful.
And finally those who always use the term "Bible believing church".
If we occupy ourself more with the message than the network provider be it King James version,Revised standard version,Goodnews,I pad etc that brought the message than such arguements wouldn't occupy our thoughts.
~BONARIO~says so via NOKIA3310
oh chineke o. Whether Ipad, bible, phone. Na the word of wey dey dere na e matta o. What u should be concerned is this , do i obey d word? So relax.
Johnson is d underlining permanent? Pls reply
Bona u just reminded me of sumthing. When people say 'bible believing church' please what does this mean? I know that a 'church' can never exist without a bible and vice versa. Therefore they go hand in hand. So what are these churches that are not bible bilieving? Such churches shouldn't then be termed as a church. Or is this just to throw shade on my catholic church which uses bulletins which contains bible verses?? I really need to understand what churches are not bible believing. Sumone kindly explain because I find that statement very confusing and offensive.
i feel its up to one to be able to discipline themselves by doing the right thing at the right time. For me i like to read e-bible rather than hardcopy since they have thesame content… the following reasons will substantiate my opinion:
– with an ebible you carry your bible anywhere and everywhere… people are sometimes guilty of going to church late and forgetting their hard copy bible at home while rushing. one can always utilize the one installed on the phone or ipad. People tend to hardly forget there phones at home.
– e-bible enables one to actually highlight and make points on certain or particular verses that you would like to study later or reference in future. even if you don't have a note book or pen you can actually have your sunday service points stored and saved in your bible. jotters and pens get forgotten or misplaced hence losing your bible study records.
-thirdly, the fact that someone is using a hard copy bible or e-bible doesn't make any difference. if the problem lies in the level of distraction, then i can bet some people u see reading the bible in church are not actually concentrating on it… their minds might be somewhere or thinking of something totally different but physically you can see that they are reading their hardcopy bible. so left to me opposing the use of iPads or e-bible is actually a one sided way of thinking. you can be distracted if you allow yourself to be. it all comes down to you as an individual.
-is it just me or when a bible passage is called out to the public in church, i tend to arrive at the bible passage faster than my fellow neighbour sitted right next to me? and often the pastor starts to the passage while i can still hear pple flipping pages of their bible trying to arrive at the passage yet im flowing with the pastor…. i think you can all agree that its alot faster!
-its more portable to have an ebible vs. hardcopy.
-i know this point maybe a little bit astray from the argument but i'd like to share it. (lol)
i have noticed that when i was using a hardcopy bible, i feel lazy sometimes in the mornings when i want to do my devotion. but with my iPad/phone I'm more motivated… because even when I'm lying down i can access my bible and read no matter how lazy i get.
– Lastly, the God i worship doesn't judge you by your ebible or hardcopy, what matters to him is that we know the word and we worship him in truth and in spirit. "i have hidden your word in my heart that i may not sin against thee" psalm 119:11. what ever works for you is what you should work with.
My dear thats what they tag the Holy Catholic church.
Thank God,God is not man. Our ways are not his ways.
~BONARIO~says so via NOKIA3310
Johnson, you can also highlight and bookmark verses with phones. Youversion.com is awesome that way!
Well, first of all, I wonder y the format in which the bible comes should be an issue. Question is, does the format add or subtract from the content? People of God pls, there are more important things for the children of God to bother about. Let's not find ourselves beefing ppl with such devices in church rather than listening to what the Man of God is teaching. Moreover, what will you now say about audio bible? The gospel is going places, in different formats and languages…till the corners of the earth are saturated. Praise God!
And yes, there are non-bible believing churches. Those that worship images, havr false doctrines, those that don't believe in the God-head (they believe that Jesus is junior to God and the Holy Spirit is the least in heirarchy) and those who practice religion.
I'm old school and thus still prefer the hard cover Bible.
At times I make use of my hard cover Bible to pray by lifting it up; I can't do that with a gadget.
The Bible is entirely GOD's word but a gadget just contains GOD's word in a section of its memory.
It's a matter of individual preference.
You can lift up your gadget too. It's all about your faith.
Yes Johnson, you can highlight and bookmark using the YouVersion bible app.
I am Anon 4.31. Kindly give an example of such a church. A place of worship that doesn't bliv in the bible or worships images shudnt be referred to as a church. Maybe a shrine. Please name such a church.
Lol. I just tried lifting up my s4…in prayer. Something about it doesnt feel right. Hahaha
Use preference but it is an act of disrespect to God. If u had incantations to recite, would it be saved on ur phone. We are no more interested in carrying the Bible but gadgets. God help man as we drift farther
Does lifting your bible draw you closer to God.?
Hardcopy Bible o, ipad o, tablet o, phone or moses' scroll ooo, all na the word of God, it's what you actually do with it that matters, I see people put their Bibles under their pillow to sleep bcos they think that a "bible" will save them should people from their village decide to attack them, I laugh in efik bcos that Bible under the pillow will do nothing but lie there, we need to know the difference between words arranged in chapter and verses in a book or whatever carrier and the WORD OF GOD, only then will we stop caring Whether it is hard copy or soft copy and put the word into practice.
BTW devices are better because they make life easier…
Non bible believing churches-
1. Catholic church (jesus is not the centre of any service, mary, angels and saints are all inclusive and craven images too with lots of religious activities and repetition prayers..
2. Jehovah witness- (I dnt know where their bible is from, they are more like cultist to me)
3. Mountain of fire-( the bible said love your enemies, but even if na your papa side or your mama side fall down and die)
4. GKS- ( they said jesus is not equal with the father, therefore he is only an agent God used.. How can!)
5.7days adventis-( I nor understand them oh)
6. Anglican church-( borrow pose from every side.. Including mountain of fire setting too, na wah)
7. TB joshua- that man is not a pastor abeg- whateva!
8. Any church that uses anointing oil and handkerchief for deliverance- you are out of the line.. olive oil does not cast out demons. Only in my name- Jesus. And His name does not need assistance from oil or handkerchief to do wonders.
9. Any church that does washing of feet.. You are not different from the catholic faith! You may say, did Jesus not wash his disciple's feet? Well His disciple's didn't continue in the feet washing oh… Go read the book of romans again, or galatians.. Who has bewitched you! Those are religious jargons! Ask those pastor that started these act if their feet was ever washed b4 they started ministering… Who washed their feet! They enter ministering and start their own jargons!
10. Any church that request for your full january salary as first fruit offering has lost it's place too… Go back to the scripture! First fruit is not everything, it is the best among the first produce.. Our God is not wicked! He doesn't need anything but your service! Yes giving is key and very important in the life of a believer.. These pastors use ur money for private jets and expensive leaving while lots of pple around you can't do 2 meals per day.. The poor you will always have in our midst.. Yes, but have compassion if you can…
Don't know how to put this, but xtians have really drifted away! We need revival! We've left our first place… Let retrace our step.. Know God for yourself, and stop resting only on the things you hear from the alter.. Feed your soul.. By yourself! Well am I proudly a member of HERITAGE ASSEMBLY -Raising a people unto God! Were the truth of Gods word is being preached! And were you're taught to do self research!- MY OPINION
Patsy
Continues-
prophetic churches- I see a woman wearing read wrapper, she said you will not prosper.. You are just a native doctor.. Go back to your shrine!
Deliverance churches exposing people on TV, each time I wonder how these pple continue their lives after being exposed on TV..
The bible says christ has disarm principality and power… Why give these demons so much acknowledgment, or make them look so powerful.. Imagine a soldier without uniform and a weapon? Na wao.. A demon cannot stand the mention of the name Jesus more than once when it comes out from the mouth of a true believer who lives by faith!
It is high time we stop being deceived and come to the truth… Xtians, know your place in christ, come out of false doctrine.. GOD HELP US.
Patsy
They are not replacing, they are just an alternative. Hardcover Bibles will always be printed and be available. No need to worry, why are you stressing out yourself over something so inconsequential?
The God in church is different from the God at home, then. Right?
Ahdaisy..LIKE!!! An iPad is just what it is: a format. Doesn't make it better/worse. We have more pressing issues in the church than formats, really.
Using an iPad is an "act of disrespect to God". Ok, this is where I go into a coma. Please don't bother waking me up. Lol
Every technological advancement is a gift from God. Stop trying to "spiritualize" everything.
Ahdaisy..LIKE!!! An iPad is just what it is: a format. Doesn't make it better/worse. We have more pressing issues in the church than formats, really.
The God in church is different from the God at home, then. Right?
Really!!! Is this Patsy for real? So members of these aforementioned churches wld likely not make heaven(quite a number). How did we get here? I'm hugely disappointed by this comment. Hope u also had a long term attendance in all of these churches and not just hearsay or arm chair assessment. I hate it when pple do church analysis!!!!!!!!
Bull shit!!!
@patsy,dis is jst so wrong,u v absolutely no right 2 judge…no right@all.stick 2 ur Heritage assembly n let's have some peace*rolls eyes n walks away*
I am Anon 4.31 once again. Patsy since u hav shown ur stupidity and ignorance, now tell us the churches that your empty brain believes is 'bible believing'. I'm waiting.
Not God help us, more like God knock ur head for this stupidty.
Ok Anon 4.31 I truely don't have much analysis of these, well if you call what I did stupidity and ignorance, you asked for it.. A brain that can compose what I wrote is sure not empty..
It takes great humility in your spirit to detect a true church.. A lot of the churches I mentioned before started very well, but they derailed.. they were after congregation, hence went their own way- without the leading of the holy spirit.. I look out for humility in the life of any pastor, simplicity and message.. Not motivational talks.. For the record, I love my church, and I love pastor Adeboye( much humility and simplicity) there are countless numbers anyway, but let the holy spirit guide you.. Read more of the scriptures and you will know.. Don't hate me, but the truth is falsehood and gripped the church greatly, and we need to break off and set ourselves free from these men of God that has left their first love…
Patsy
Ok Anon 4.31 I truely don't have much analysis of these, well if you call what I did stupidity and ignorance, you asked for it.. A brain that can compose what I wrote is sure not empty..
It takes great humility in your spirit to detect a true church.. A lot of the churches I mentioned before started very well, but they derailed.. they were after congregation, hence went their own way- without the leading of the holy spirit.. I look out for humility in the life of any pastor, simplicity and message.. Not motivational talks.. For the record, I love my church, and I love pastor Adeboye( much humility and simplicity) there are countless numbers anyway, but let the holy spirit guide you.. Read more of the scriptures and you will know.. Don't hate me, but the truth is falsehood and gripped the church greatly, and we need to break off and set ourselves free from these men of God that has left their first love…
Patsy
lol… @anon9.48
There's no need to throw insults, everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but I think it's very unwise to judge any church as bible believing and non bible believing. Every other church came out of the Catholic church, therefore if the Catholic church is non bible believing, then all offspring are non bible believing. Patsy, I always read your comment and I have a lot of respect for you, but sayin Jesus is not the center of Catholic worship is kinda too much because it means you've never really attended the church. And most other churches you condemned with ' " I nor understand them oh" points to the fact that you just conclude without having any reason. Remember, the fact that you don't like something doesn't mean that thing is bad or wrong.
As for hard cover or soft cover bible, I think the word in them is what matters. My mum uses those giant bold printed bible because of her eyes and I use the portable tiny printed bible, does the size of her bible make her faith bigger than mine?
You deserve to be shot for this jargon you wrote, what the h*ll? That's how you know people that attend all those mushroom churches, brainwashed lot. Your pastor doesn't av private jet yet, but he is on his way there and then he will change his tune and you will start echoing the new tune mtchewwww
Btw my opinion
Lady Ahdaisy welcome back Darling. Were you on maternity leave without informing us your able online fam?
Now, let the drama begin. Love ya boldness and straightforwardness.
Oshe gon.
Deeper Life is the only Bible Believing Church in Naija. The rest fa………….il
Motivational speaking is what happens in most pentecostals. Ha ha.
@ lezzie thanks a lot for your comment.. As for the catholic church, I so much respect them, bcos of their oneness and simplicity too.. But the fact is a lot of their practices are not biblical! I grew up in the catholic faith, I was once the president of legion of mary.. My entire family both maternal and paternal were catholic.. Catholics need a re-awakening! Saints, angels and mary are not part of creation, neither did jesus make reference to them why on earth. Go read the book of luke.. The woman called from the crowd, bless is the breast that gave you suck and the womb that bore you.. What was jesus replied? When his disciples came to him that your mother and you brother were outside looking for him, what was his reply… My mother and my brother are those who believe in my word and do the will of the father.. Did He disregard his parents? NO! Pls and pls the bible made it clear the only way to get access to the father is through Christ. Lata pls
Patsy
Patsy trust me you're sick,to term you a bigot is an understatement. Your level of intolerance is sickening. Look at how you condemned other churches and relegated them to the background. I won't join issues with you or rubbish your church like you did mine. Lil wonder you're called protestants coz its in your nature to protest. I doubt if u actually know the tenets of true Christianity as enunciated in the bible you're carrying around,owk lemme assume u've not read Luke chapter 9 vs 50.
It all depends on ones choice. The world is changing real fast, its left for you to either change with it or stay behind.
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Ok, peeps, too much tension in the air. Take a deep breathe everyone.
The true church is neither catholic nor protestant, but the people who recognize Jesus as Lord. The church is not the building, or the denomination or the gathering but the individuals, as Jesus will only return for those without spot or wrinkles and not the crowd in some assembly or the other. The church one attends is just a matter of preference and personal choice. The fact that you attent Heritage or St Mary's Catholic church doesn't make you more christian than the next person. That's the problem with the church today; we are divided. That's not of God.
Now to the koko. The fact that you carry a bible doesn't make you more spiritual than the one that carries an iPad. The real question is, 'Do you OBEY the bible that you read?' If you like carry hard cover and be all spiriti-koko, na just gimmick if you don't practice its content. Remember, ..the letter killeth, but the Spirit gives life. Don't be carried away by foolishness in the name of spirituality. I own an iPad, but rarely use it in church because of 'unbelieving' christians who's faith is not well developed enough to allow then see road on top iPad matter. I don't want to be the reason why someone won't be blessed. Let us allow wisdom to guide us. Don't be a shallow and religious Christian, strive to go a little deeper..
…Telling it like it is!
@Patsy: sequel to your handkerchief talk, check Acts 19:12: So that from his body were brought unto the sick, handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Smh for this patsy, u still have a lot to learn. May God help u
Rotlmao. Pls tell her. This is stupidity @ it's peak
Am so sorry guys, I may be wrong with my analysis, it is just my opinion. but seriously xtians need to retrace their steps… Good luck all
Patsy
Am so sorry guys, I may be wrong with my analysis, it is just my opinion. but seriously xtians need to retrace their steps… Good luck all
Patsy
Am so sorry guys, I may be wrong with my analysis, it is just my opinion. but seriously xtians need to retrace their steps… Good luck all
Patsy
Am so sorry guys, I may be wrong with my analysis, it is just my opinion. but seriously xtians need to retrace their steps… Good luck all
Patsy
Rotlmao. Pls tell her. This is stupidity @ it's peak
How could u Patsy? How cld u write such a general castigation of churches wtout being mindful of the fact that this forum is open to pple of various denomination? How cld u voice ur opinion in criticising churches irrespective of location and choice? Why shld u own ideal church supercede every other persons own. How cld u further the insult wt a mockery of being sorry. How cld u expect pple who ask for ur advise thru this blog, to accept it genuinely? It wld hv been better if u had posted this vitriol anonymously.
I just hope u know uve planted an unfortunate seed of discord on this blog by this insult!
Patsy, if you think it is by church that you will enter heaven, u r nt just on a long thing but on a longer thing. By this act of judging others, discrimination and self righteousness you have exhibited, u have already lost it big time.
stupid pasty
stupid stupundo
Patsy, ur ignorance baffles me! I mean I just heard someone say nigerian graduate s are dim wits and I thought that was too harsh but oh well, he had a point! I willnit grace u with a more elaborate reply coz u still will not comprehend.
****Mufasa Said
Patsy is actually right on many levels. Many of us have reacted by calling her names: sick,stupid etc which just goes to show how right she is. If you truly are a christian in a 'bible believing church',is that how they teach you to respond to people you disagree with?
False beliefs of God eventuate to not merely just error, but false worship, false conversion, false assurance, false profession…bottomline is: bad seed never produces healthy trees nor good fruit (Matt. 7).
Today as always, doctrine, worship and life remain closely interdependent and acutely interrelated.
Where doctrine teaches that man is good and God is benevolent, worship will be humanistic self-deification and life will be oriented to self-fulfillment pursuit of purpose.
Where worship focuses on pragmatism, human needs and entertainment, the doctrines of God, of human sin and of sovereign grace will wither and life will become enamored with self-centeredness.
And where life is self-indulgent, doctrine & worship will also be self-indulgent — with "me" as my own god (deluded in believing in an idol and calling it "God" or "Jesus").
Paul wrote to Timothy "Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers."(1Tim.4:16).
Examine yourself and ur church with the above verses in mind,and judge for urself if u r really in a church or a cult or some money making organization.
Hmmmmmm, food for thought OR is it you Patsy?
Patsy! Patsy!! Pasty!!! How many times I call you? Are you related to Sister Linda (Sierra Leone babe)?
Our God is JUST and have different children with different character (like the prodigal family). The prodigal son that left home was different from the brother but that does not make him less a son. There shall be many surprises in heaven, but I can assure you that many would be sorry that they were judgmental.
On what basis would we make it to heaven? It is salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ! What would it profit us to make heaven and not be able to take others with us? Possibly to our relationships and ability to accommodate others… I can tell you that salvation is not in a church denomination! However, our denomination could rob us of some great benefit God has in store for us here on earth. Make I drop my pen here.
U called her 2.5x cos u got the name wrong the 3rd tym……………lol
Heritage Assembly? Is this what they teach them in that church? My people perish because they lack knowledge….smh.
Don't mind them, some so called bible believing church are out there deceiving and ripping people off their money (wonder if that what the bible says).
Possibly due to our relationships…
@Anon 1:27pm – the 3rd time is the past(y) tense.
Meaning? Do u cast out demons? No! They dnt evn know u! Read Acts 19:15. Pls this guy we r not interested in ur religion and denomination here, dnt bring ur arguments on other blogs here o. Practicing religion not relationship with the Abba father. U wnt to be religiously? Read James 1:26-27. May the Holy Spirit teach u more….if u let Him
Religious
annon 1.56 am.
you should knw that satan its making everything seem nice even though they are wrong.most pipo uses the devioce as thou normal lik pinging, making calls in the house of God.lets have respect for once
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